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PLO: nut straight vs flush? Button vs SB

Discussion in 'Hand analysis' started by Warp, Jun 15, 2019.

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  1. Warp

    Warp Active Member

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    Hello Kyyberi ;)

    PLO50 on Unibet.

    I am button with 50BB, SB with 80BB, BB with 180BB
    I have A:diamond:K:diamond:J:spade:2:club:, action folds to me, I raise 2,5BB SB calls, BB folds

    Flop comes K:club:Q:heart:T:heart:
    SB donks full pot into me, very quickly.
    If I reraise I get half my stack in. I checked it and was really considering it. But I am IP so I pray for a dry turn and call because he will donk turn, I get it in and I will double my stack.
    Turn: 7:heart:, fml
    He donks 2$ into a 8$ pot. Quarter pot size. I call.
    River 8:club:
    He pots it, I fold.

    Too tight?

    My thoughts: When I call the flop, I have something. And because I don't reraise flop that something could be a set or two pair, so he should protect and bet bigger? And if he wants value it is right here, not on river.
    But maybe he puts me on lower flush. When I call turn I most likely have either straight or set or lower flush.
    I know that my hand is face up, but should I therefold fold turn instead of calling? Against 2$ bet? Argh.

    The problem is the river: he can just push me out, set, straight, lower flush all fold to a river potsize bet.
    So he does have bluffes there. And what are the odds, that button vs SB he actually has the nuts flush.
    But maybe he barrels just any better flush there, hmmm.
    If he knows that I know he knows...etc. Too many mind games. Was my line ok?

    villain was good reg I'd say, whatever that's worth on Unibet
     
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    Ghaleon Well-Known Member
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    My guess would be that we want to just repot flop and try to get it in when we have nuts. Especially with no redraws which mean any pairing or flush turn suck. Also A or J are sort of bad.
     
  3. Kyyberi

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    Why 50bb, why open 2,5bb?

    At least open always for pot.

    On the flop, I doubt he has AJ. Might be AKhh or a set+fd. The easiest way is to raise pot and shove any non-heart turn. Other option is to call and raise all non-hh turns. Problem is that if opponent checks turn, it's quite easy for him to play it. I would raise. If you had opened 3,5bb you could raise to 32bb on the flop.
     
  4. Warp

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    Hmmm. Without any hearts I really don't love it.


    True about the sizing. What do on hearts turn? Just give up? if I raise flop I can't really fold turn, even if heart comes. so I am giving my opponent implied odds, he knows if I pot flop I basically have to pay him off with the rest of my stack.
     
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    If you raise flop and he calls, what is his range?
     
  6. Warp

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    he rips any straight, set with straight draw or flush draw, flush draw with straight draw
    he calls bare sets, maybe, he calls bare nuts flush draw, maybe.
    he has very good implied odds with the SPR on turn, so he will call a lot on flop
     
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    I think that when he calls your pot raise on the flop, he has something that has equity vs your straight (what you are repping). That is pretty much sets and flushes, and sometimes the same straight that is looking to outplay you (somewhat unlikely, as he has 80bb. Doesn't sound like a solid crusher).

    If hearts come and you check:
    - If he has a set without the flush draw (or 2pairs with OESD, like KQJ) he is happy to check back and see if he gets his boat on the river
    - if he has hearts, he probably bets it big

    So if he leads a heart turn, his range is crushing you.

    As played he has flush almost always. As your hand looks like a flush a lot.
     
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